I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. We took sweet fellowship together. And out of that love you gave them the best of who you are to do with whatever they felt they needed to. It upheld what it believed to be the true spirit of fundamentalism amid changes in the conservative Protestant landscape. Additionally, many independent Baptist fundamentalists practice "second-degree separatism," distancing themselves not only from "the world" but also from fellow Christians who do not share. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. Where you write the rules. Thou shalt be baptized by full immersion in this particular denomination of church, preferably this specific church, otherwise it might have been a false baptism that didnt take. Hope you have a good day. We were, I suppose, fundamentalist with evangelical highlights. Seems redundant. Twice in the New Testament, Paul gives long lists of human behaviors that preclude people from inheriting the kingdom of God. I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. Those who opposed the Great Whore of Revelation before the rise of the Reformers were again you guessed it; BAPTIST CHRISTIANS who came before the Protestant Christians ever came to existence and I am proud of my Baptist heritage. A 2016 report on the university's handling of sexual assault found a "fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX." The report noted "that Baylor's efforts to implement Title IX were. Even though its hard to get much farther on the theological spectrum from Catholicism than an independent fundamental Baptist church, this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church. But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. (Please note: if thou art truly right with God, the only acceptable team to pull for is Michigan State). KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. Thou shalt always obey the speed limit, EXCEPT when the Pastor says it is Gods will that thou shalt go 10-20 miles over the speed limit so as not to miss lunch at camp. They attended Bill Gothard seminars and proudly embraced that whole creepy business. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. are now routinely included as simply evangelicals. Im not sure what this means, exactly, but I think it means something. In 1976, Dr. Jack Trieber was called to pastor this work. He will kick you out of church and put you on church discipline for 6 months, after which you will be restored as a brother. So there is some good to the IFB movement. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. First Baptist Church of Glenarden 4.5. Bruce, you and many of those that comment to your posts are a help to me. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. I didnt understand the extremes of it and was so glad for makeup, but why yell about it from the pulpit?! The Black Baptist preachers affiliated with the SBC aren't proclaiming a Black Jesus, railing against white racism, or demanding reparations from white Baptists. Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. The items you are questioning are not the "doctrine" of independent fundamental Baptists. Thou shalt not drive a nice car for that is vanity and takes money from the missionaries who need airplanes and new tin roofs, and food out of the fat visiting evangelists bellies (unless your the man of god, then you can drive a Suburban or a $95k brand new F350). Henry, John Harold Ockenga and others sought to separate themselves from the label fundamentalist and seek out a more irenic, culturally-engaged version of conservative Protestantism, some descendants of the original fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were not very happy about it. And despite all you've been through, here you are now! Oh, as a new convert attending an Adventist college, I actually said, heck or darn around one of the older teachers (40 years ago). Like the millions of others around the country who need to read these stories, they wont be able to unless they subscribe to a newspaper hundreds of miles from where they live. * This paywall nonsense is unnecessary, counter-productive, and really disrespectful of the papers investigative team. Part of HuffPost Religion. You have found True Christianity. ? You cant question your leaders, Hardy said. Glory to God alone. Baptists are one of the few religious groups whose adherents dispute their own beginnings. Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. A bit later, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it split away to join the GARB (the General Association of Regular Baptists no, really, thats a thing). Defeat him totally. I was never attacked by them, and to the best of my knowledge neither were my siblings. Ben Bogard (1868-1951) was its chief defender during his lifetime. History of Landmarkism. Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches Are MODERN Churches! Get right, stay right, amen. SPECIAL: Prayer Changes Your Brain in 4 Amazing Ways 1. Refusing to cooperate with other members in the Church. A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. Its been the M.O. Find an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church | Canada. Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. They controlled the process except for the final approval. And because of your trusting love for them, you let them. An Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Hate List Bruce Gerencser November 13, 2020 Evangelicalism 58 Comments The Bible says in 1 John 2:15,16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. During the 1970s and 1980s, Falwell seemed to operate in a space somewhere between the independent Baptist world of his upbringing and the neo-evangelicalism of Billy Graham andChristianity Today. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? They might as well be Mormons.Sense they add their own rules and Bible.They are acting as a cult its not biblical.Gal1:8 They are teaching false teachings,And not the doctrines of the Bible.They are Just adding their own rules. Because today the media's primary food source is outrageousness, the IFB receives an inordinate amount of media attention. Thou can sleep at 11 on Monday night; everyone knows sleep is for fags & queers, not real men. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. Each IFB church is wholly autonomous and free from any outside governance. Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. Firstly, I agree with Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980) that there's no such thing as "The Baptist Church." The Body of Christ is composed of believers from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and numerous other Christian denominations. In 1638, he founded the first Baptist church in America in uncolonized Rhode Island. The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. The Lord Jesus Christ Saves - His Plan of Salvatio Real Men Love Pink A Collection of Quotes by A. W. Pink, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible When our preaching goes backward, the whole apple cart rocks and soon turns over. The New IFB is an attempt to revive the former glory and orthodoxy of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, a movement that arose in the mid-20 th century in reaction to fears that mainstream. A minority of Baptists contend that Baptist churches originated in the first century, deducing their claim from the fact that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. In any case, we are definitely living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ. Pastor Stacey Shiflett finally had enough: For Shiflett, the issue was personal. In New York, a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest to a parish there after he admitted to unspecified inappropriate conduct with women, and a diocesan spiritual court recommended that he not be returned to that parish. It is a Bible Baptist church. You trusted. Human life begins at conception. They pretended to be something they weren't. Baptist. It's not just Baptist Churches; most organize denominations are in one way or another legalistic. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. She actually got upset! This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. (The mind of an 18 year old girl that had been sort of bad with many boys in high school, shame on me) Thou shalt leave tracts in various and sundry places: the aisles of Walmart, in library books, at the doctors office, so that all may know the Good News of the Gospel. Toledo, Maumee, Bowling Green, Lima, Findlay all relatively large communities. If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. eyebrow, belly button, tongue) shall be permitted to be pierced. If your neighbor saw you leaving the Cinemaplex, he wouldnt know what movie you had watched, leading him to have questions about your faith. According to the Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life, there are. Landover, MD 20785. The website, New IFB Singles, is a ministry of Veracity Baptist Church and is lead by New . Students may be expelled at any time, for any reason, if the president of the school deems the reason sufficient (my 2nd grade brother was expelled for defiance). Most of those victims dont live in Fort Worth. Scripture alone. Thou wilt pledge money on the last Sunday evening of every month to the building fund even if you cant pay your rent or mortgage on the first. Women need not apply and should not study martial arts. To know is to be responsible. The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. None were ever convicted due to being men of god. All of us, Christians and atheists alike, have lists of rules by which we govern our lives, and often judge the lives of others. A god who condemns people to an eternal hell for evil committed during a human lifespan isnt worthy of worship. In America, a former member of the Church of England, Roger Williams, separated from officials in the Massachusetts Bay Colony over his belief about church functions. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . He did not respond to specific questions that were sent to him. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. The co-founder, Paul Kingsbury, recently was forced to leave his position at North Love Baptist Church in Rockford, Ill., for his role in helping a sex . They kept what worked for them. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Next time? The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. And then the other philosophy is its wrong to say anything bad about another preacher.. Even my Southern Baptist Church wasnt this strict! God's Grace bible study podcast is a Independent Fundamental Baptist pobcast we use the KJV 1611 only. Image Conscious INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS FAR TOO MANY OF THEM RUN WITH DEVILS . They cant even follow their own bible when it contradicts their dogma. Are you saying Paul and Jesus are legalists? And there are Baptist ch. Thou shalt leave for camp on Monday morning and return on Saturday afternoon, as thou must be able to give a long, tearful testimony at the church service on Sunday morning (exhaustion is of the devil). Shellnut is also helpful in clarifying just who these independent fundamentalist Baptists are: Around 2.5 percent of Americans identify as independent Baptists, according to thePew Research Center more than belong to the Assemblies of God, Churches of Christ, or Episcopal and Anglican churches. These other distinctions, distinctives and emphases all serve, in varying degrees, as proxies for that.). The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. I have tried to overlook them, but they won't go away. If this doesnt work, she shall make the Sunday evening edition, Enjoy everyone! NIFB Is A Cult | The NIFB Will Not Be Tolerated. Escape by Carolyn Jessop. You arent any different than those of us who have been where you are Cathy. Thou shalt study various martial arts disciplines, as these are masculine. That hide it under terms like order and discipline in order to enforce it. So I messaged and they do baptisms. For the sake of consistency in training, you must follow through. There is no appreciable moral distinction between homosexuality and bestiality, incest, child molestation or rape. I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. Get tough. You're the power. The Star-Telegram counted 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and affiliated institutions that had been affected by sexual abuse allegations. Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress. Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. Born Again Barbarian 48.1K subscribers Subscribe 252 15K views 5 years ago The practices of the IFB movement are only a few hundred. To get up is to be on the firing line and get switched back down. And not to tell anyone. You served them that way. , I was brought up in evangelical churches which clung to much of this dogma. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. The message is set. The number of articles in the multi-part series exceeds the number of free articles non-subscribers are permitted to read each month. (2) Evangelical culture has a conference and lecture circuit with celebrities and quasi-celebrities who come to cities for weekend workshops and one-night lectures that provide opportunities to sin and go, leaving behind casualties. Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. They kept what they wanted. If they really loved God they would have loved you and everyone else in a manner befitting that love: properly, carefully, consistently. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. It's just the nature of them I guess. I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. you're wrong!" Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. So hard to tell if it is a cult. 3. . And while we only memorized verses in the King James Version and lots of them and used the KJV in Sunday services, we were also allowed and even encouraged to read the NIV and other more accessible translations. *, At Christianity Today, Kate Shellnut offers a short, helpful summary of the Star-Telegrams horrifying findings, along with some reporting on how the independent fundamentalist Baptist community is responding to its revelations (not well). By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. His manner of teaching is rough and salted with racist comments about Black folks. For one, they lack a unified presence since individual churches largely operate on their own. Ugh. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. Every Evangelical sect/church/pastor/evangelist/missionary/congregant has their own rules they think are Biblical. You just dont like this particular list of rules because they run counter to your Biblical list. Look at homosexuality within the priesthood. For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective. I am curious why the Ifb doesnt want Christians to go to the movie theatre? This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. You brought the best of yourself. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. In response to an explosive investigation, top Southern Baptists have released a previously secret list of hundreds of pastors and other church-affiliated personnel accused of . When he got in trouble, Hyles was able to simply move on, from one church assignment to the next. The person should go to the pastor, and the pastor will talk to the offender. But Black Baptists reject the MAGA revolution that has taken the GOP, and the SBC, by storm. All these Rules have nothing to do with Salvation.Jesus set us free from bondage called Legalism.Galatians5.This There rules but not biblical.This is a system of control its a man made book of rules. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament." . Great emphasis is placed on the literal interpretation of the Bible as the primary method of Bible study. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. You loved when you had no more love to give. It started as part of the Northern Baptist convention but, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, split away to join the Conservative Baptists. Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. This means that God changed his mind, yes? In Christ alone. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. By way of justifying infant "training" and the continued "submission of the will" of children, IFB parents point to these lines in The Book of Proverbs: "To Train Up a Child," by fundamentalist Christian minister Michael Pearl and his wife Debi, is very popular within the IFB. Mullins knew that he had faculty problems, Sampey did, Fuller did, McCall did . I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. Landmarkism began as a movement in the mid-1800's mainly in the Southern Baptist Convention. Much of this movement was a response to the so-called neo-evangelical movement. If the crying is still defiant, protesting and other than a response to pain, spank him again. Good day, sir. If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gods-grace-bible-study-wi/support Truth Unbound with Walter Swaim 11h ago If thou dost sin and eat at a restaurant (due to the slothful disposition of thy wife), then thou shalt leave a tract for the server-never a tip. It is also my desire that those who have become nonbelievers will respond with a yes to Jesus. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. Shame on you, sir. a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest, Todays Psychology Cant Help American Men. All first-time comments are moderated. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, "Johnny, clean up your mess.". If you are a young woman, thou shalt wear knee-length dresses, with hose and heels at summer camp in the woods in the red clay mud when it rains. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. KJV was the only Bible in English, and that is the stand I intend to die on. You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches believe that the authority to baptize was given to the first church, organized by our Savior. We were you at one time. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. Some of them are becoming social halls instead of true worship centers. Questions About Independent Fundamental Baptists, Leighton Flowers, & Justin Peters Right Response Ministries 36K subscribers Subscribe 10K views 1 month ago GEORGETOWN Can you name one thing. Learn More. Human nature is a destructive force. This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches that are not following the teachings of the New Testament. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. Single. I really want to write a book or start a podcast about all this shit at some point. This is 100% the independent Baptist school I attended. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. Become a member and enjoy the very best from The American Conservative in print & digital. Im not. Be firm with him. A veteran of three decades of magazine and newspaper journalism, hehas also written three New York Times bestsellersLive Not By Lies, The Benedict Option, andThe Little Way of Ruthie Lemingas well asCrunchy ConsandHow Dante Can Save Your Life. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Other than Toledo, the 419 area code is pretty rural. Thou shalt not ever drink alcohol, unless its done in secret and confessed as sin on Sunday. Women not wearing pants, women not working, women being not allowed to speak up in church, have any sort of leadership role, etc. 2.) - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. (Not the liberal InterVarsity, mind you, Campus Crusade.). Generally speaking (and this differs greatly from church to church) Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists tend to have about the same doctrinal stance. Way over the edge. In that case, thou shalt work on your bus route until 3 am Monday morning, then get your sorry, lazy ass ready for your theology classes at our bible college that morning. And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. He is his own man and refuses to be tied down or corralled by anything. See her report here: Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse.. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. Jesus gave us the command to preach the Gospel and also to baptize those who have believed on Jesus. When the baby bit, she pulled hair (an alternative has to be sought for baldheaded babies). (1)"I put him on the "auto trash" list because he never offers anything that is edifying, or even Biblical, but just his snide remarks and liberal/protestant opinions!" (2) "You are not my brother. Thou shalt not have sex with other women in the church but thou canst eye fuck them when they sit in front of you in church, and can corner them after church and have awkwardly flirty conversations with them when they are trying to leave because youre a fucking awkward creep. One alleged abuser went on to serve as an administrator in a Christian school in a different state, even after Shiflett warned the schools pastor. Trieber did not respond to interview requests. 3.) Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) I am still a very committed Christian, but I was thankfully out of the IFB world once I left for college (a secular university). I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. Please read the commenting rules before commenting. How I struggled to free myself from this oppressive thinking. Can same-sex couples be married in your church? Beside the fact that you were likely born into IFB and so never chose to believe anything about it one way or another, your allegiance to IFB means nothing more than that you love. You loved when the cost of that love was to negate the best parts of yourself. You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. Apr 26, 2017. Exempt this special report from your paywall. This letter is in downloadable as a PDF here. Aug 10, 2008. 1 2 3. It upheld what it believed to be. Pray tell, Kathy, what are you going to tell me about the Bible that I dont already know? Let me stress here at the beginning that this is not about churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention; those Baptist churches are thought to be too liberal by the independent fundamentalists. This guide to "consistently rewarding every transgression with a switching" (from the book's introduction) has sold more than 670,000 copies. BITE Model. Look at centralized Catholicisms opportunity to shuffle priests from one parish to another, few questions asked.